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  • Mildred Codilla

    @Brent-Karding said in Is Pole Dancing To Men Audience A Sin?:

    I would encourage you not to lessen God’s requirement of repentance for someone to be saved (Mark 1:4-5, 14-15; Luke 5:32; 13:3; Acts 17:30; 20:21, etc.). If someone isn’t willing to give up everything to follow Jesus, they cannot be his disciple (Luke 14:25-33), and we cannot make salvation “easier” than that. God’s Spirit is powerful to convert people, even though salvation is “hard” in this way!

    As I have reviewed this discussion kuya, I formed questions in my mind. I hope it’s still okay to add questions to this post kuya.
    It is new to me/us to really require repentance from people, I mean, we tell them to repent but we don’t really know what to say to show them how to repent. I have realized that we tell people the Gospel in a light manner (which is a wrong way to proclaim the Gospel) by not INSISTING them to repent. We just told them the believing/trusting part, but not the meaning of the repenting part.
    In light of all these kuya, we are ready to tell others not just to believe the Gospel but to repent of their sins. But I would like to do it in a correct way (what the Bible says), so I am asking for help from you and our brethren (who will read this post). These are my questions ABOUT INSISTING REPENTANCE:

    1. Is it okay to use Luke 14:25-33 to make them understand what repentance looks like?
    2. Is it okay to mention that repentance is “laying aside every weight (encumbrance), and sin which clings so closely IN ORDER TO run the race of faith in Jesus [Hebrews 12:1] ?
    3. It’s true that not all sins that we repented of can directly be stopped, can you give your idea on sins that can directly stop by the working of God when a person GENUINELY repents? Is it more on the lifestyle at first, then sanctification will follow, meaning other sins (that are not a lifestyle but sin in the inside) will be stopped from glory to glory (2 Cor.3:18)?
    4. What verses in the Bible commands the genuinely converted believers to keep on repenting after conversion?

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  • Mildred Codilla

    @Brent-Karding everything is clear to me now kuya. The answers you have given are very helpful. Thank you so much kuya!

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  • Mildred Codilla

    @Brent-Karding said in Is Pole Dancing To Men Audience A Sin?:

    (a) Of course, all people know right and wrong through their consciences, but these can become defiled. So it would be right to tell them that pole dancing is wrong, even if they don’t understand why, or say that they don’t understand why.

    (b) So these women should know that if a pole dancer trusts Christ as her Saviour, she is required to stop pole dancing. You can’t live that way and be a Christian, as Paul says in 1 Corinthians 6:9-10. Jesus told the rich young man to sell all that he had, but he refused - and Jesus didn’t run begging after him! The rich young man would not repent of his love of money, and therefore he could not be saved. Salvation requires repentance. That might “stop” them from getting saved, but we can’t change God’s requirements for salvation, of course. God’s power can overcome these obstacles in a sinner’s heart, making Christ more desirable than sin - and I encourage you to pray toward that end.

    © But encouraging women to live by faith can be done if a pole dancer does trust Christ. She can be encouraged with God’s promises of provision, and joy, with God as her Father - but only a believer can be encouraged like this. A non-Christian has no promises of provision and joy, only of eternal punishment if they don’t repent.

    (A) okay kuya, that’s clear to me now. I will apply this by telling others the good news including telling them what is wrong in their lifestyle that needs to be given up in response to the Gospel.

    (B) i understand this now kuya. But can you help me how to clarify to them the difference between [1] repenting by giving up their evil lifestyle like pole dancing and [2] not being saved by “works”, since to stop pole dancing looks like good “works” [3] having a righteousness that is not our own, but that of Jesus Christ.

    © can you please suggest what are the specific things to believe or trust in order for her to be saved? I have an idea that it’s only to trust Christ’s cross, forgiveness and righteousness, but are there still more in what a person is going to trust in order to be saved kuya?

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  • Mildred Codilla

    @Brent-Karding said in Is Pole Dancing To Men Audience A Sin?:

    if any of them trust Christ as their Saviour, you could help encourage them to live by faith, to turn from a sinful lifestyle in obedience to Jesus.

    Kuya, as I have reviewed our conversation earlier at this post, I have noticed that you suggested that I will not tell them that pole dancing is wrong. So please help me by suggesting how I can encourage the women lo live by faith (with specific and practical examples of how to do it, specially in relation to their current lifestyle) and how to repent or turn from their sinful lifestyle to Obedience to Christ (also with practical examples of repentance that is related to their way of living).

    I believe this one above that I mentioned is the response to the Gospel preached that Is needed for salvation.

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  • Mildred Codilla

    @Brent-Karding said in Is Pole Dancing To Men Audience A Sin?:

    As far as being their only income for survival, that is a much more difficult matter. That requires much prayer and wisdom for you advising them. It would be different if a woman professes faith in Christ; then you can help her live by faith and trust Jesus’ promises.

    I’m not sure I understand this kuya. Sorry my comprehension in English is not that strong.

    They’re the ones who said that pole dancing is their only source of income kuya.

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  • Mildred Codilla

    @Brent-Karding said in Is Pole Dancing To Men Audience A Sin?:

    One suggestion for exposing the darkness is not to show them specifically why pole dancing is wrong, but simply to share the gospel with them - to show them the darkness and misery of sin (they will have some experience of this, I’m sure), the punishment for sin, and the hope of the gospel.

    What if they do not know that pole dancing is a sin kuya?..right now, they are thinking of it as a performance like dancing ballet or singing on a stage. Also, they are thinking of it as a job, their only source of income for survival.

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  • Mildred Codilla

    It’s very helpful kuya.

    Can you give an idea why they device POLE as the main instrument for their dancing? How can I expose the darkness they’re into? (Specifically,how can I tell them,through Smallgroup Biblestudy, how evil their dancing or their work is?)

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  • Mildred Codilla

    Women pole dances to men on a stage. What message does pole dancing convey? What does the Bible say about this?

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  • Mildred Codilla

    (Alistair begg) Professing Christian, is sin subdued in you? If your life is unholy, your heart is unchanged; and if your heart is unchanged, you are an unsaved person. If the Savior has not sanctified you, renewed you, given you a hatred of sin and a love of holiness, He has done nothing in you of a saving character. The grace that does not make a man better than others is a worthless counterfeit. Christ saves His people not in their sins but from them ". . . for the holiness without which no one will see the Lord."1 "Let everyone who names the name of the Lord depart from iniquity."2 If not saved from sin, how shall we hope to be counted among His people? Lord, save me now from all evil, and enable me to honor my Savior.

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  • Mildred Codilla

    (Matthew Henry Commentary)
    They ought to know if Christ Jesus was in them, by the influences, graces, and indwelling of his Spirit, by his kingdom set up in their hearts. Let us question our own souls; either we are true Christians, or we are deceivers. Unless Christ be in us by his Spirit, and power of his love, our faith is dead, and we are yet disapproved by our Judge.

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